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"They want to turn Russia into Muscovy." Nikolai Patrushev — about the West and Ukraine
What actions of the West are being prepared for in Moscow and what policy can be opposed to this? About this aif.ru said the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev.
Vitaly Tseplyaev, aif.ru : Nikolai Platonovich, how do you assess the situation in the world that has developed by the beginning of the coming year?
Nikolai Patrushev: The situation in the world is extremely complex and has a turbulent character. Many countries of different regions are simultaneously in a military-political, economic, social and spiritual crisis. Let's hope that there will be positive changes this year.
— You once said that the leadership of Western countries is not doing anything to improve the situation, not only in the world, but even in their own countries. Explain what we are talking about?
— Western politicians do not have the strength and opportunities to change life in their states for the better, because they have not been independent figures for a long time. Everyone has connections with big business, lobbyists, foundations. They don't even hide these facts. There are very recent examples. As it turned out, dozens of MEPs were controlled by the structures of J. Soros, and the European Commission, at the behest of one of the world's largest American pharmaceutical companies, has created a number of corrupt schemes for the purchase of vaccines worth tens of billions of euros. It is obvious that the real power in the West is in the hands of resource-rich clans and multinational corporations.
— Do you mean the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds?
— In fact, there are many more such corporations and clans. Thus, the total income of the 500 largest companies in the world, according to unofficial data, reached almost $ 38 trillion in 2021. The main share of multinational companies is accounted for by corporations with headquarters in the United States. Their revenues brought in about $16 trillion with a net profit of $1.8 trillion.
The capitals of a number of multinational companies exceed the GDP of most economies of the world, and the funds created by them for further enrichment claim to be a supranational mechanism for managing humanity. The same Soros Foundation has become almost the main world center for planning and implementing "color revolutions".
— Do you want to say that even the US authorities are not pursuing an independent policy?
— In fact, the American state is just a shell for a conglomerate of huge corporations that rule the country and try to dominate the world. For TNCs, even US presidents are just extras who can be shut up like Trump. All four murders of American leaders are connected with the corporate trail. It is no coincidence that an increasing number of Americans claim that Republicans and Democrats are just two actors in one play that has nothing to do with democracy.
The American authorities, fused with big business, serve the interests of multinational corporations, including the military-industrial complex. The assertive foreign policy of the White House, the unbridled aggressiveness of NATO, the emergence of the AUCUS military bloc and others are also a consequence of corporate influence. The draft US budget for 2023 is the best proof of Washington's plans to unleash new wars to the detriment of the well-being of its own citizens. Of the total planned expenditures of the federal government of $ 1.7 trillion, half is allocated for defense — more than $ 850 billion. It is planned to allocate 45 billion rubles only for the continuation of hostilities in Ukraine and the prolongation of the conflict.
This is despite the fact that the United States itself and its henchmen are irretrievably sliding into a debt pit. Americans have a national debt of more than thirty-one trillion dollars. England's debt — 2.4 trillion pounds — has become the highest since the Second World War and exceeded 101% of gross domestic product. The world record for the ratio of debt to GDP — more than 2.6 times — was set by Japan with a national debt of almost ten trillion dollars. Only countries that consider themselves masters of the world are not going to repay these debts.
Earlier, the West came to prosperity and achieved world domination through colonial seizures. This is how multinational companies behave today, preferring to increase their capital by pumping resources from other countries. At the same time, they use the system of fooling the masses belonging to them for every possible imposition on the population of the planet of the idea of certain rules that they themselves came up with and that do not comply with international law.
— That's right. On the one hand, they introduce new technologies through foreign direct investment and increase labor productivity. Only the population cannot take advantage of these results, because companies are forever displacing the local producer, becoming monopolists. By taking the main volumes of profits abroad, they deprive countries of the opportunity to increase their national well-being.
National legal regulation is not enough to solve this problem. The current international legal regulation of the economic activities of TNCs is formed in the interests of the corporations themselves and with their direct participation. Its change in favor of the national interests of the countries is torpedoed.
In the face of drastic changes in the world, the goal of corporations is to preserve the system of global exploitation. It is headed by an elite of businessmen who do not associate themselves with any state. Under it are the so—called developed countries of the world, as well as the "golden billion". And then — the rest of humanity, contemptuously referred to as the "third world".
— According to this logic, apparently, Russia is not provided with the most enviable place in this hierarchy.
— There is no place for our country in the West. Russia annoys a bunch of world rulers by having rich resources, a huge territory, intelligent and self-sufficient people who love their country, its traditions and history.
Transnational corporations are unnerved by Russia's ideological and ideological divergence from countries under the control of Western capital. Corporations are aimed at enriching and developing the consumer society. Russia defends a reasonable balance of spiritual and moral values and socio-economic development.
Russian Russians are trying to weaken our country, dismember it, and destroy the Russian language and the Russian world in this regard. They have long worked out the technology of undermining their rivals from within and splitting them into small states. This was also the case earlier, when, for example, London, following the results of the First World War, destroyed empires and stamped dozens of countries out of them. This is how they act today. A striking example is Yugoslavia. The State, which had an independent voice in the international arena, is divided into six.
— He inspired them. 15 new subjects of international law have emerged in the former Soviet Union. Of course, none of them can compare with the USSR in terms of their influence, with the exception of the Russian Federation, which, having preserved its centuries-deserved international authority, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, plays an important role in the world, defending national interests. Therefore, the Westerners' plans remain to continue to pull Russia apart, and eventually simply erase it from the political map of the world. Today they are still shouting loudly that Russia should not remain united, it should be driven into the framework of Muscovy of the XV century. To do this, they do not shun anything, including inventing a completely false history of our country, shifting their responsibility for the oppression of other peoples onto it, which Russia has never done.
The whole story with Ukraine was started in Washington in order to work out the technologies of dividing and pitting a single people. Millions of people are forbidden to speak their native Russian from birth, forced to forget their origins. The West, for the sake of its ambitions, is practically destroying the Ukrainian people, forcing the active generation to die on the battlefield and bringing the rest of the population to poverty.
— But in the world, on the contrary, Russia is accused of seizing the territory of Ukraine, attacks on its infrastructure...
— We are not at war with Ukraine, because by definition we cannot have hatred for ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainian traditions are close to the people of Russia, as well as the heritage of the Russian people is inseparable from the culture of Ukrainians. Please note that in Crimea, the Ukrainian language is preserved as one of the state languages. Ukrainian cultural centers and ensembles of Ukrainian song and dance continue to operate in many cities. In the south of the Far East, given the large proportion of immigrants since the time of Stolypin, a significant number of residents consider the culture of the Ukrainian people to be native.
And the sooner the citizens of Ukraine realize that the West is fighting against Russia with their hands, the more lives will be saved. Many have realized this for a long time, but they are afraid to declare it, fearing reprisals. The West does not plan to save anyone's lives to the detriment of its enrichment and other ambitions. At the same time, Americans, Englishmen and other Europeans often create the illusion that they are protecting civilization from barbarism.
— Are you hinting at the events in Afghanistan, where the United States declared a fight against terrorism, and then left there rather ingloriously?
— Not only in Afghanistan, but also in other regions. They themselves created terrorist organizations to achieve their goals, such as Al-Qaeda, the Taliban Movement or ISIS*, and fought against them themselves. Arranging the demonstrative elimination of terrorist leaders, as Osama bin Laden, a hundred new ones were trained and armed.
— On February 24 last year, Russia named the "demilitarization" and "denazification" of Ukraine as its goals. Are you still confident that these goals will be achieved?
— Neo-Nazi criminals who have been rampaging in Ukraine in recent years will inevitably be punished. However, it is possible that their curators will try to save the most odious ones in order to use them in other countries, including for organizing coups d'etat and performing sabotage tasks.Such a scheme was worked out during the defeat of Nazi Germany. After 1945, the Americans, the British and the West German authorities controlled by them reported on the denazification of their zone of occupation of Germany, while the Nazis who were saved from punishment were used to create the armed forces of Germany, as well as an agent network of American and British intelligence, including for covert operations against the countries of the socialist camp.
The CIA, which until 1948 was called the US Office of Strategic Services, actively used former employees of the Abwehr and the Imperial Security Directorate of Hitler's Reich to create new German special services.
In the post-war years, the Americans actively attracted Nazi criminals to the development of new types of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery. The same applies to the use of Americans and Japanese war criminals who developed and used chemical and bacteriological weapons.
— These methods are the most cynical. One of them is experiments with dangerous pathogens and viruses in military biological laboratories under the supervision of the Pentagon. They are unceremoniously engaged in the moral and moral decomposition of society. The West has mastered the brainwashing of people with the help of mass propaganda, and now it seeks to use cognitive weapons, influencing each person point-by-point with the help of information technologies and neuropsychology methods. It inculcates neoliberal and other values, some of which are inherently directly opposite to human nature. They act consciously and do not hide in their circle that the LGBT agenda is a tool for gradually reducing the number of "extra people" who do not fit into the framework of the notorious "golden billion". Yesterday they advertised GMOs without caring about the health consequences of such products, and today they urge women not to have children for the sake of combating climate change. Overseas science suggests evaluating people by the amount of carbon they leave behind. They measure and count humanity in the same way that Nazi scientists measured skulls in their time in search of criteria for the separation of "higher" and "lower races".
— You paint a rather gloomy picture. It's like the end of humanity is just around the corner...
— The potential of humanity is far from being exhausted. There are structures that are designed to influence this situation in a positive way. This is the UN and the UN Security Council. Such associations as the SCO, BRICS, ASEAN and others are becoming increasingly popular. However, the West is not interested in the effectiveness of their work. The Anglo-Saxons are obsessively trying to push the world community to the idea that these institutions have outlived their time in general, but we must live by the rules they invented. Those who disagree with their hegemony are labeled "rogue states", "terrorist countries" or states that pose a threat to national security. At the same time, Western countries do not notice that they themselves gradually remain in the minority, since they are already tired of the strategy of force and threats they use in the world.
— Our country is on the path of creating a strong, modern, independent economy in order to achieve economic sovereignty. Russia has all the resources for this. We need a culture of their use, a careful and economic attitude to our treasures — not only natural, but also intangible. Russian business should be nationally oriented. Private capital, as well as the authorities, should think about the long-term development of the country.
Financial independence is important for Russia, as well as technological sovereignty. We have plenty of our own Lomonosov and Kulibin. The problem is to notice them in time. It is necessary not just to develop science and education, but to revive the real cult of the scientist, engineer, worker. The younger generation should be inspired by the ideas of creative work for the benefit of our Motherland, and not sit in the offices of Western corporations.
The indestructible strength of Russia lies in our hardworking people, whose advantage lies, among other things, in their different views on life, in their multinational and multi-confessional nature. It is important to understand that we have a unique and distinctive culture, that Russia is not Europe, not Asia, and certainly not "anti—West". This, by the way, is our fundamental difference. For a Russian person, hatred by definition cannot be a unifying principle. Only Westerners who openly call us opponents are full of hatred. But they need to be reminded of their unsuccessful military operations in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and other countries... In the conditions of the emergence of new military threats, it is important for us to have such armed forces and special services so that Russia's opponents do not even have a thought that they can fight with us.
* Organizations banned in the Russian Federation
Vitaly Tseplyaev
Source: https://aif.ru/politics/world/rossiyu_hotyat_prevratit_v_moskoviyu_nikolay_patrushev_o_zapade_i_ukraine
Nikolai Patrushev: The situation in the world is extremely complex and has a turbulent character. Many countries of different regions are simultaneously in a military-political, economic, social and spiritual crisis. Let's hope that there will be positive changes this year.
— You once said that the leadership of Western countries is not doing anything to improve the situation, not only in the world, but even in their own countries. Explain what we are talking about?
— Western politicians do not have the strength and opportunities to change life in their states for the better, because they have not been independent figures for a long time. Everyone has connections with big business, lobbyists, foundations. They don't even hide these facts. There are very recent examples. As it turned out, dozens of MEPs were controlled by the structures of J. Soros, and the European Commission, at the behest of one of the world's largest American pharmaceutical companies, has created a number of corrupt schemes for the purchase of vaccines worth tens of billions of euros. It is obvious that the real power in the West is in the hands of resource-rich clans and multinational corporations.
— Do you mean the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds?
— In fact, there are many more such corporations and clans. Thus, the total income of the 500 largest companies in the world, according to unofficial data, reached almost $ 38 trillion in 2021. The main share of multinational companies is accounted for by corporations with headquarters in the United States. Their revenues brought in about $16 trillion with a net profit of $1.8 trillion.
The capitals of a number of multinational companies exceed the GDP of most economies of the world, and the funds created by them for further enrichment claim to be a supranational mechanism for managing humanity. The same Soros Foundation has become almost the main world center for planning and implementing "color revolutions".
The draft US budget for 2023 is the best proof of Washington's plans to unleash new wars to the detriment of the well-being of its own citizens.
NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV
Two actors in one play
— Do you want to say that even the US authorities are not pursuing an independent policy?
— In fact, the American state is just a shell for a conglomerate of huge corporations that rule the country and try to dominate the world. For TNCs, even US presidents are just extras who can be shut up like Trump. All four murders of American leaders are connected with the corporate trail. It is no coincidence that an increasing number of Americans claim that Republicans and Democrats are just two actors in one play that has nothing to do with democracy.
The American authorities, fused with big business, serve the interests of multinational corporations, including the military-industrial complex. The assertive foreign policy of the White House, the unbridled aggressiveness of NATO, the emergence of the AUCUS military bloc and others are also a consequence of corporate influence. The draft US budget for 2023 is the best proof of Washington's plans to unleash new wars to the detriment of the well-being of its own citizens. Of the total planned expenditures of the federal government of $ 1.7 trillion, half is allocated for defense — more than $ 850 billion. It is planned to allocate 45 billion rubles only for the continuation of hostilities in Ukraine and the prolongation of the conflict.
This is despite the fact that the United States itself and its henchmen are irretrievably sliding into a debt pit. Americans have a national debt of more than thirty-one trillion dollars. England's debt — 2.4 trillion pounds — has become the highest since the Second World War and exceeded 101% of gross domestic product. The world record for the ratio of debt to GDP — more than 2.6 times — was set by Japan with a national debt of almost ten trillion dollars. Only countries that consider themselves masters of the world are not going to repay these debts.
Earlier, the West came to prosperity and achieved world domination through colonial seizures. This is how multinational companies behave today, preferring to increase their capital by pumping resources from other countries. At the same time, they use the system of fooling the masses belonging to them for every possible imposition on the population of the planet of the idea of certain rules that they themselves came up with and that do not comply with international law.
There is no place for our country in the West. Russia annoys a bunch of world rulers by having rich resources, a huge territory, smart and self-sufficient people.
NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV
Global operation
— That is, do you really think that when operating in various countries of the world, TNCs seriously influence local political and socio-economic processes?— That's right. On the one hand, they introduce new technologies through foreign direct investment and increase labor productivity. Only the population cannot take advantage of these results, because companies are forever displacing the local producer, becoming monopolists. By taking the main volumes of profits abroad, they deprive countries of the opportunity to increase their national well-being.
National legal regulation is not enough to solve this problem. The current international legal regulation of the economic activities of TNCs is formed in the interests of the corporations themselves and with their direct participation. Its change in favor of the national interests of the countries is torpedoed.
In the face of drastic changes in the world, the goal of corporations is to preserve the system of global exploitation. It is headed by an elite of businessmen who do not associate themselves with any state. Under it are the so—called developed countries of the world, as well as the "golden billion". And then — the rest of humanity, contemptuously referred to as the "third world".
— According to this logic, apparently, Russia is not provided with the most enviable place in this hierarchy.
— There is no place for our country in the West. Russia annoys a bunch of world rulers by having rich resources, a huge territory, intelligent and self-sufficient people who love their country, its traditions and history.
Transnational corporations are unnerved by Russia's ideological and ideological divergence from countries under the control of Western capital. Corporations are aimed at enriching and developing the consumer society. Russia defends a reasonable balance of spiritual and moral values and socio-economic development.
Russian Russians are trying to weaken our country, dismember it, and destroy the Russian language and the Russian world in this regard. They have long worked out the technology of undermining their rivals from within and splitting them into small states. This was also the case earlier, when, for example, London, following the results of the First World War, destroyed empires and stamped dozens of countries out of them. This is how they act today. A striking example is Yugoslavia. The State, which had an independent voice in the international arena, is divided into six.
What do the events in Ukraine mean?
— At the end of December, the 100th anniversary of the formation of the USSR was celebrated. In your opinion, how did the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 affect the policy of the United States and its allies?— He inspired them. 15 new subjects of international law have emerged in the former Soviet Union. Of course, none of them can compare with the USSR in terms of their influence, with the exception of the Russian Federation, which, having preserved its centuries-deserved international authority, is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, plays an important role in the world, defending national interests. Therefore, the Westerners' plans remain to continue to pull Russia apart, and eventually simply erase it from the political map of the world. Today they are still shouting loudly that Russia should not remain united, it should be driven into the framework of Muscovy of the XV century. To do this, they do not shun anything, including inventing a completely false history of our country, shifting their responsibility for the oppression of other peoples onto it, which Russia has never done.
The whole story with Ukraine was started in Washington in order to work out the technologies of dividing and pitting a single people. Millions of people are forbidden to speak their native Russian from birth, forced to forget their origins. The West, for the sake of its ambitions, is practically destroying the Ukrainian people, forcing the active generation to die on the battlefield and bringing the rest of the population to poverty.
We are not at war with Ukraine, because by definition we cannot have hatred for ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainian traditions are close to the people of Russia, as well as the heritage of the Russian people is inseparable from the culture of Ukrainians.The events in Ukraine are not a clash between Moscow and Kiev, this is a military confrontation between NATO, and above all the United States and Britain, with Russia. Fearing direct contact, NATO instructors drive Ukrainian guys to certain death. With the help of a special military operation, Russia is liberating its regions from occupation and must put an end to the bloody experiment of the West to destroy the fraternal Ukrainian people.
NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV
— But in the world, on the contrary, Russia is accused of seizing the territory of Ukraine, attacks on its infrastructure...
— We are not at war with Ukraine, because by definition we cannot have hatred for ordinary Ukrainians. Ukrainian traditions are close to the people of Russia, as well as the heritage of the Russian people is inseparable from the culture of Ukrainians. Please note that in Crimea, the Ukrainian language is preserved as one of the state languages. Ukrainian cultural centers and ensembles of Ukrainian song and dance continue to operate in many cities. In the south of the Far East, given the large proportion of immigrants since the time of Stolypin, a significant number of residents consider the culture of the Ukrainian people to be native.
And the sooner the citizens of Ukraine realize that the West is fighting against Russia with their hands, the more lives will be saved. Many have realized this for a long time, but they are afraid to declare it, fearing reprisals. The West does not plan to save anyone's lives to the detriment of its enrichment and other ambitions. At the same time, Americans, Englishmen and other Europeans often create the illusion that they are protecting civilization from barbarism.
— Are you hinting at the events in Afghanistan, where the United States declared a fight against terrorism, and then left there rather ingloriously?
— Not only in Afghanistan, but also in other regions. They themselves created terrorist organizations to achieve their goals, such as Al-Qaeda, the Taliban Movement or ISIS*, and fought against them themselves. Arranging the demonstrative elimination of terrorist leaders, as Osama bin Laden, a hundred new ones were trained and armed.
The neo-Nazi criminals who have been rampaging in Ukraine in recent years will inevitably be punished.The US presence in Afghanistan turned out not to be a fight against terrorism, but the creation of multimillion-dollar corruption schemes and a multiple increase in drug production. The sudden departure of the Americans from this country, as it turned out, was largely due to focusing on Ukraine, where, according to their estimates, the preparation of the Kiev puppet regime for offensive anti-Russian actions was going well. By the way, this was confirmed by US Secretary of State Blinken, who said that if the US military had not left Afghanistan, Washington would not have been able to allocate so much money to Ukraine. In addition, some of the equipment removed from Afghan soil was transferred to Europe, mainly to Poland, allowing the Europeans to militarize the Kiev regime.
NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV
— On February 24 last year, Russia named the "demilitarization" and "denazification" of Ukraine as its goals. Are you still confident that these goals will be achieved?
— Neo-Nazi criminals who have been rampaging in Ukraine in recent years will inevitably be punished. However, it is possible that their curators will try to save the most odious ones in order to use them in other countries, including for organizing coups d'etat and performing sabotage tasks.Such a scheme was worked out during the defeat of Nazi Germany. After 1945, the Americans, the British and the West German authorities controlled by them reported on the denazification of their zone of occupation of Germany, while the Nazis who were saved from punishment were used to create the armed forces of Germany, as well as an agent network of American and British intelligence, including for covert operations against the countries of the socialist camp.
The CIA, which until 1948 was called the US Office of Strategic Services, actively used former employees of the Abwehr and the Imperial Security Directorate of Hitler's Reich to create new German special services.
In the post-war years, the Americans actively attracted Nazi criminals to the development of new types of weapons, including weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery. The same applies to the use of Americans and Japanese war criminals who developed and used chemical and bacteriological weapons.
Financial independence is important for Russia, as well as technological sovereignty. We have plenty of our own Lomonosov and Kulibin. The problem is to notice them in time.
NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV
"The potential of humanity is far from being exhausted"
— Let's return to the topic of the influence of transnational corporations on the politics of different countries. You claim that it is practically limitless. And what methods, in your opinion, are in the arsenal of TNCs?— These methods are the most cynical. One of them is experiments with dangerous pathogens and viruses in military biological laboratories under the supervision of the Pentagon. They are unceremoniously engaged in the moral and moral decomposition of society. The West has mastered the brainwashing of people with the help of mass propaganda, and now it seeks to use cognitive weapons, influencing each person point-by-point with the help of information technologies and neuropsychology methods. It inculcates neoliberal and other values, some of which are inherently directly opposite to human nature. They act consciously and do not hide in their circle that the LGBT agenda is a tool for gradually reducing the number of "extra people" who do not fit into the framework of the notorious "golden billion". Yesterday they advertised GMOs without caring about the health consequences of such products, and today they urge women not to have children for the sake of combating climate change. Overseas science suggests evaluating people by the amount of carbon they leave behind. They measure and count humanity in the same way that Nazi scientists measured skulls in their time in search of criteria for the separation of "higher" and "lower races".
— You paint a rather gloomy picture. It's like the end of humanity is just around the corner...
— The potential of humanity is far from being exhausted. There are structures that are designed to influence this situation in a positive way. This is the UN and the UN Security Council. Such associations as the SCO, BRICS, ASEAN and others are becoming increasingly popular. However, the West is not interested in the effectiveness of their work. The Anglo-Saxons are obsessively trying to push the world community to the idea that these institutions have outlived their time in general, but we must live by the rules they invented. Those who disagree with their hegemony are labeled "rogue states", "terrorist countries" or states that pose a threat to national security. At the same time, Western countries do not notice that they themselves gradually remain in the minority, since they are already tired of the strategy of force and threats they use in the world.
Strength in people
— How is the Russian leadership going to build its strategy taking into account the above problems?— Our country is on the path of creating a strong, modern, independent economy in order to achieve economic sovereignty. Russia has all the resources for this. We need a culture of their use, a careful and economic attitude to our treasures — not only natural, but also intangible. Russian business should be nationally oriented. Private capital, as well as the authorities, should think about the long-term development of the country.
Financial independence is important for Russia, as well as technological sovereignty. We have plenty of our own Lomonosov and Kulibin. The problem is to notice them in time. It is necessary not just to develop science and education, but to revive the real cult of the scientist, engineer, worker. The younger generation should be inspired by the ideas of creative work for the benefit of our Motherland, and not sit in the offices of Western corporations.
The indestructible strength of Russia lies in our hardworking people, whose advantage lies, among other things, in their different views on life, in their multinational and multi-confessional nature. It is important to understand that we have a unique and distinctive culture, that Russia is not Europe, not Asia, and certainly not "anti—West". This, by the way, is our fundamental difference. For a Russian person, hatred by definition cannot be a unifying principle. Only Westerners who openly call us opponents are full of hatred. But they need to be reminded of their unsuccessful military operations in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and other countries... In the conditions of the emergence of new military threats, it is important for us to have such armed forces and special services so that Russia's opponents do not even have a thought that they can fight with us.
* Organizations banned in the Russian Federation
Vitaly Tseplyaev
Source: https://aif.ru/politics/world/rossiyu_hotyat_prevratit_v_moskoviyu_nikolay_patrushev_o_zapade_i_ukraine
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